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Red Light Cameras: Should They Go?

The Florida House of Representatives is considering a bill that would repeal permission for these cameras to be used. We’d like to get your thoughts on the topic, Tampa Bay!

Pull up to a traffic light as it’s turning yellow and it’s likely the urge to gun it will be squelched by the knowledge that Big Brother is watching.

After all, most Tampa Bay area counties and many cities have red light cameras installed at major intersections. Those cameras enable local governments and the state to keep an eye out for red light violators. They also provide a record of violations that allows costly tickets to be issued to motorists who run red lights.

At $158 a pop, according to The Tampa Tribune, those tickets can add up fast. The state collected about $51 million last year alone thanks to red light cameras.

The problem is that while law enforcement says the cameras are working to deter drivers from gunning it at lights, possibly causing accidents as they do, the use of cameras has stirred up controversy. Motorists hate them, some question their Constitutionality and a study has claimed they’re ineffective.

Now, the Florida House of Representatives is considering a repeal of the law that makes their use legal in the state. It’s not the first time a repeal has been considered either. The Florida Senate made an attempt in 2011.

This new bill just made it through a House panel and now has to go before the appropriations committee before the full House can take it up. It would also require a nod from the Senate.

While the current House bill has a long way to go before gaining full approval, we’d like to get your take on the issue, Tampa Bay.

What do you think about red light cameras? Should they stay or should they go? Share your thoughts in the comments section.

Brian Schwaab February 26, 2013 at 03:26 am
You must be the only one. I don't know anyone in law enforcement who is against them. Besides if traffic enforcement was what it should be they would not need so many of the cameras.
George Martin February 26, 2013 at 03:48 am
Forget the revenue, anyone who runs a red light ought to have his/her license suspended for six months the first time and for a year the second time.
James C. Walker February 26, 2013 at 06:02 am
For Brian Schwaab:
Two different police associations testified against a bill that would have re-introduced red light cameras in Minnesota and the bill was defeated in committee. State Police in Michigan strongly oppose red light cameras and are very pleased that they are deemed illegal here by our attorney general. The Pinellas County Court Clerk is very upset at all the problems the red light camera citations cause and asked for a moratorium on ticketing. There are MANY police officers and police agencies that strongly oppose camera ticketing for profits. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
James C. Walker February 26, 2013 at 06:10 am
For George Martin:
FIRST you would have to get the yellow intervals timed properly for the actual approach speeds of vehicles before escalating the penalties. SECOND you would have to pass a law like Tennessee's to prohibit camera ticketing of right on red turns because this action only causes 0.06% of all fatalities and 0.4% of all crashes, so ticketing slow rolling right on red turns is at least 99.6% and as much as 99.94% about money, not safety. If you want to put in heavy penalties for people who enter five or more seconds into the red and risk t-bone crashes - FINE. But if you want to collect $158 a pop for safe drivers who commit technical fouls at mis-engineered intersections - NO WAY. Red light cameras need to be banned statewide and people should call their Representatives and Senators to urge them to actively support bill #4011 to ban the cameras. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
Brian Schwaab February 26, 2013 at 11:59 am
To James Walker. I don't know if Michigan's problem is as bad as it is here. We have a serious sense of driving entitlement and a get out of my way attitude here. Red lights mean Stop. Since the aggressive driving, speeding and red light violations are not being enforced, they are neccessary here. Money gets people's attention. When they start paying the red light fines then it will get them to start paying attention and put the selfish driving attitude in check. A driver's license is a priveledge and not a right.
Patriot February 26, 2013 at 12:49 pm
James C Walker, I think you are wasting your time with ole George here! Some people are just traffic Nazis! And can not see any further then the citation. I think most people know that Traffic Cameras are all about money! NOTHING ELSE!
KOD February 26, 2013 at 03:24 pm
It is as simple as this - if you are not running red lights you don't have anything to worry about!! I do think it is a deterrent. How many $158.00 tickets are you going to pay before you start to realize yellow means red is about to appear and you need to stop - not floor the gas peddle and speed through a potential red light. as for the funds - great - take the money and hopefully it will kep the taxes down for the rest of us law abiding citizens!!!
David Conkle February 26, 2013 at 03:37 pm
The light is green and you're coming towards an intersection with a red light camera with someone right on your bumper. Do you speed up to hopefully clear the light before it briefly turns yellow and then to red or do you slow down to slam on the brakes to avoid possibly getting a ticket? What do you do? If you speed up you're breaking the law by speeding thru an intersection and if you slow down with someone right behind you and have to slam on the brakes you might be rear-ended. What do you do? These cameras do not make us safer, just more paranoid that we might get a $158 city ordinance violation that lines the pockets of the state, city and camera vendors. Call your State Representatives and tell them to repeal the law allowing this municipal extortive practice.
Patriot February 26, 2013 at 05:13 pm
KOD, fact of the matter is, there is no proof that supports the use of cameras as a safety mechanism. Also, did you know that it will also get you a ticket for turning right on red, if you slow roll the stop? Can someone tell me how that is a safety concern? You can't, cause most people, including police never fully stop for a right hand turn. I don't run red lights, and I do think it is a violation that deserves a ticket, however, I am more fearful of what comes next? Do you not see the presidence this sets? You really want government to invade your life?
Patriot February 26, 2013 at 05:17 pm
Here is what you do... YOU SUPPORT HB 4011! http://rlctb.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/HB-4011-Ban-Red-Light-Cameras-In-Florida.pdf
James C. Walker February 26, 2013 at 06:04 pm
For Brian Schwab:
When the state of Florida and its cities deliberately mis-engineer their traffic lights and posted speed limit to create more tickets, it is the governments that are wrong, not the drivers. Correct engineering solves the vast majority of the issues you mention. Bad engineering causes them AND creates the predatory environment where governments can ticket for profits. It is wrong. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
Adam York February 26, 2013 at 06:22 pm
I AM SUGGESTING THAT RED LIGHT CAMERS BE REPLACED BY "POP UP SPIKES"...HOW MANY SETS OF TIRES BEFORE OFFENDERS GET THE MESSAGE "RED MEANS STOP!"...THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING -
Adam York February 26, 2013 at 06:25 pm
IF YOU ARE AFRAID OF BEING REAR ENDED - YOU MAY BE DRIVING TOO FAST TO BEGIN WITH.
Patriot February 26, 2013 at 06:50 pm
I don't think the CONSTITUTION sides with your idea! Hell! I don't think it sides with most of liberal dem party, let alone our idiot in chief! I can not wait for the revolution! : )
David Conkle February 26, 2013 at 07:08 pm
Dude, why are you shouting? If your going too fast, or too slow or the speed limit and someone is right on your bumper and you slam on the brakes because you know the city might have shortened the yellow light, the probability that you'll be rear-ended is great. So what's your choice in that senerio? Get a $158 city code violation or be rear-ended? That's all I'm saying in a calm and logical manner.
David Conkle February 26, 2013 at 07:17 pm
Patriot, once again you're not making any sense here. Why would you support big-brother intruding into anyones life to municipally extort and impose excessive fines. Isn't the imposition of excessive fines supposed to be unconstitutional?
James C. Walker February 26, 2013 at 07:17 pm
For KOD:
Set the yellows correctly long and most of those violations never happen. Cameras require deliberately improper and less safe traffic light timing to make profits. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
Casey February 27, 2013 at 07:41 am
I am wondering if anyone here knows if there is anything I can do about this: I just got a red-light ticket in the mail with the photos attached. It was night time at Fruitville & Tuttle JUST after the light had turned (no excuse, but I am an advocate of having a slightly longer yellow light) and you can see the license plate, but not the driver. I was not the person driving; my boyfriend was driving my car. Is there anything I can do about this ticket since I wasn't the one driving, especially since you can't identify the driver?
David Conkle February 27, 2013 at 11:51 am
If your boyfriend was driving your car you need to sign an affidavit that your boyfriend was driving the car and he would then be responsible for paying the violation fine. If the fine is paid within the allotted time no points are assessed against his or your record as the notification of violation is for breaking a city ordinance. If you decide to take it to court by not paying fine, the violation then becomes a Uniform Traffic Citation and if you lose in court the fine becomes $264 and points will be assessed. If I were you, I'd go check the timing of the yellow light by taking video footage of the light in question and simalar lights in the immediate area with the same speed limit. If the speed limit at the red light camera intersection is 45 mph the yellow should be 4.5 seconds long. If is less than that, I would consider taking it to court as many are having their cases thrown out by sensible judges. Of course, no one is assured of getting a judge that is sensible in these matters.
JS February 27, 2013 at 02:47 pm
All this hub bub over red light cameras while your federal government spends your nation into bankruptcy. Interesting where the mentality of the people and the media really is. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
S. Ripley February 27, 2013 at 03:14 pm
Don’t speed.
Do come to a complete stop at right-on-red intersections. Don’t tailgate (it is the following car’s responsibility to maintain proper separation based on speed to allow time to stop- even if the person in front slams on the brakes) Do make a universal yellow-red transition time based on approach speed. If we can do those four, all the other problems are solved. Except of course the big-brother/cameras watching me paranoia.
Paula Garavalia February 28, 2013 at 02:48 am
The next week after I got one of these mailed fines for a light on Cortez Rd., I was in Sarasota & noticed that the timing had also been changed on the Tuttle/Fruitville Light so it is apparent that they have changed the timing on the misc. lights to generate revenue. I was not the driver on mine either - it was my son but he was driving me so I went ahead & pd. the fine.
michael galbreath March 5, 2013 at 11:02 am
get rid op the cameras!!!
Zigsauered March 7, 2013 at 05:28 pm
To really reduce accidents then all signal lights need to be replaced with ones that count down i.e. what ever the color green, yellow, or red each individually counts down to 1 then changing to a different light which begins to count down as well. It puts you in more control in knowing exactly when you can act. It of course will not stop some from wanting to run the red light versus spending quality at the light, but for most it will. The same people that see the red light count down can have a much better and quick decision as to run it or not as they see the red lights time running out? ......4,3,2,1
Patriot March 7, 2013 at 06:38 pm
Red light running is one thing...yes, it is a dangerous infraction. I still do not agree with a camera as the authorized creator of the infraction....but, what gets under my skin more, is, right turn on red tickets! These cameras also ticket for the California Stop! In other words, if you come to a red light and are turning right....if you do note make a complete stop....you will get a ticket....how dangerous is a right turn on red? As far as I am concerned, it is not dangerous to anybody...this is just local government theft!
-Ed Harris- March 7, 2013 at 07:14 pm
I can understand having a regular camera at large intersection like Gulf-to-Bay and US19 that records 24/7 but resets everyday and is used for accidents. Red light cameras are nothing short of a scam. They promote accidents, promote insurance fraud ( of course insurance is a scam too). This is a well thought out scam starting with the makers of the equipment ending with many elected officials. Funny thing as people start fighting the tickets more and more the cameras won't be turning a profit. Don't let this happen in your city because it will take years to have them removed.
James C. Walker March 7, 2013 at 09:27 pm
For Patriot: Correct on the right turn tickets, they are 99.94% about MONEY, not safety. NHTSA data says only 0.06% of traffic injuries and fatalities happen with right on red turns - legal or illegal ones.
Contact your state Representatives and Senators to tell them you want the cameras either banned or restricted very severely - to include no camera tickets for right on red turns. James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
James C. Walker March 7, 2013 at 09:28 pm
For Zigsauered: The best of these I ever saw were in Havana. They count down all three phases - red, green, yellow - in color.
James C. Walker, National Motorists Association
lui March 12, 2013 at 09:33 pm
Where are these red light cameras located. I know of 2, on 53rd and another on 57th. Any on Manatee Ave...??? Please help. Thanks...
Paula Garavalia March 13, 2013 at 02:48 am
I don't drive around in Bradenton much but the ticket I got was on Cortez & 53rd light I believe. So I don't know about other areas there. This past week I did not see many of the cameras when I was in Sarasota so maybe they took those down. They do have them in Venice but I haven't noticed that any of them have been doing the "re-timed" thing there.

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