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Gun Appreciation Day: Do You Support It?

Conservative groups are asking people across the nation – and right here in Tampa Bay – to show their support for the 2nd Amendment on Jan. 19. Will you support the movement?

As politicians line up to support stricter gun control measures in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre, conservative groups have joined forces to draw a line in the sand.

The result: Gun Appreciation Day.

Set for Jan. 19 – not coincidentally two days before President Barack Obama’s second inauguration – the observance is meant to be a national show of force in favor of gun owners’ rights. Support for the movement has come in from such sponsors as the Second Amendment Foundation, Special Operations Speaks, the Women Warriors PAC and others.

The groups are asking people around the country, and right here in the Tampa Bay area, to “go to your local gun store, gun range or gun show with your Constitution, American flags and your ‘Hands off my Guns’ sign to send a loud and clear message to Congress and President Obama.”

Here’s what we want to know from you Tampa Bay: Do you plan to take part in Gun Appreciation Day? Should Congress and the President keep their hands off your guns? Or do you think the time has come for stricter gun control laws? If so, what measures would you support? Share your thoughts in the comments section.

Michael D. January 24, 2013 at 02:45 PM
Erik, Check your facts. All three of those allow citizens to own assualt weapons with the proper license. In the industry I work in (listed above) I'm pretty sure I know the consumer bases for these products better than you. It does require a special license, but it is allowed. So as a person who has now accused me of lying twice without your facts correct. Lets us look at an overview of the laws. Canada: civilian ownership of assault rifles is allowed under Prohibited-class licenses. Semi-automatic civilian versions of "assault rifles" such as the M4 carbine and VZ58 are quite common in Canada and can be owned legally with a restricted firearms license.One must pass the CFSC as well as the RCFSC in order to obtain their RPAL. Examples in this class include all AR-15 variants. (Got information from Canadian Ammunition Manufacturer) Switzerland: Citizens are allowed to own/carry semi-automatic Assault Rifles. Czech Republic: under the provisions of Act 119/2002, regulates civilian ownership of assault rifles, which are classified in the Czech Republic as Category A. France: Firearms: Category 1 : Military firearms ; According to French law, a military firearm is a weapon which has a gauge used by the army since 1880. Some of them are prohibited, for example, full automatic weapons, but semi automatic assault weapons or handguns are authorised. Examples of military gauges into category 1 : 9mm, 5.56 NATO, 7.62x39, 7.62 NATO, .45 ACP, .50 BMG, .50 AE.
Michael D. January 24, 2013 at 02:46 PM
But that isn't the same as what you said before, and what you said when you accused me of lying for a second time in this thread. You are now changing your agrument.
Michael D. January 24, 2013 at 04:37 PM
Actually they are a little of both, all but one member was a Canadian. The other Rushton Moreve was from Los Angeles.
erik January 25, 2013 at 02:20 AM
Michael D: I don't know what the second accusation of lying was. The first I apologized for. Presumably you think being corrected is the same as being called a liar. The country laws you cite about "military" style weapons are no comparison whatsoever with the free for all situation in the US with half hearted background checks, destroyed in 24 hours, and no restrictions at all on private sales. farcical is what it is. I support the right to own such weapons, even fully automatic ones, but under extremely strict conditions, and liability in case of misuse by anyone else. I also note that you still offer no counter explanation for why Americans are so much more prone to gun deaths and violence compared to other nations.
Roy K. McGinnis January 25, 2013 at 06:17 AM
If you had really read about WWII do you really think the NAZI's would not have invaded Switzerland, Sweden, Portugal, and eventually even Facist Spain after they had conquered England? Switzerland forced all warplanes violating its airspace to land on their airfields or be destroyed, Allied and Axis alike. Do you really think Hitler would have let that lie? If so, you should do more reading and less postulating. As far as Switzerland, when a country supports gun ownership to the point of supplying them to it's citizenry, sponsers gun education, makes ranges available throughout the country to practice, they should have less violence than us because of a more informed public. And.......even though they do demilitarize the Sig 550's (remove the full auto capablity) after you posess it for twenty or thirty years, the 30 round magazines remain intact. Insisting on a ten round magazine is comparable to being in a fist fight for your life and saying you can only have ten punches. Stick to your video games where you can reset and have another chance after you are killed!
Michael D. January 25, 2013 at 02:08 PM
Erick, What would you consider you are saying with this statement: "We have nothing to discuss if you pretend to make arguments on pretend facts." If I'm making up pretend facts, then won't I be lying? That is exactly what you are saying. "The country laws you cite about "military" style weapons are no comparison whatsoever with the free for all situation in the US with half hearted background checks, destroyed in 24 hours, and no restrictions at all on private sales." Different agrument than your earlier agrument, which I was disputing: "My point is simply that we have more guns per capita by far than any other civilized nation, and we allow military weapons that none others do, " When infact they do, there is a difference in Background checks, that wasn't part of this agrument. Now it is something I agreed with you on in my post in response to yours on January 22nd, along with the gun violence/ownership question which was in the same post. So I didn't ignore it at all. If you continued to read past the point where I pointed out the counties that allowed ownership you would have seen it.
Michael D. January 25, 2013 at 02:08 PM
I apologize about the name, it's is Erik, not Erick.
erik January 26, 2013 at 12:05 AM
Michael D. You persist in avoiding the issues stated. You claim that other countries allow "assault" weapons (but I doubt extended magazines or armor piercing ammo), under controls that don't exist in the USA, without explaining how that compares to the USA; which of course it doesn't. You claim that Switzerland and others have plenty of guns, without addressing why they have only a tiny fraction of USA gun violence.
erik January 26, 2013 at 12:30 AM
Roy K: I don't know what your latest rant is supposed to prove. Of course the Nazis would have invaded the "neutral" countries had the won the war, although there would have been no need to fight, they could have dictated whatever terms they wanted. What does that prove in this issue of gun control? Switzerland has a military form of conscription that allows weapons (some weapons) to be kept with it's citizens, but the weapons and ammunition is totally registered and the owners are well trained. What does that have to do with the essentially uncontrolled free for all in the USA? What do you need more than 10 shots in a weapon for? You are not one of those who have fantasies about killing the police FBI, are you?
Michael D. January 28, 2013 at 02:54 PM
Erik, I have answered all your questions. You keep up bringing different issues to the questions you state in order state that I'm no answering your questions. On January 22nd, I talked about the Gun Culture. You have changed and continue to try to change your agrument. Now mentioning Armor-Piercing Bullets. You said that other western civilized counties do not allow assualt weapons (which you were quoted on). You were wrong. You switched the agrument to the level of controls. Which surprising I have addressed in this thread on January 24nd. But it appears easier for you to accuse people then actually read what they write. Do you want me to write the exact licensing laws for each country? Are you grasping that much for an agrument? As for the question you have now asked for the third time, and as I wrote the last time you asked I answered on January 22nd at 9:49am. If you would like expound on that statement then ask that specifically. If not, telling me I haven't answered a question I answered for almost a week now is not a valid agrument for you. Especially being you have a habit of accusing people of things like lying and not answering questions they have anwsered.
Michael D. January 29, 2013 at 03:30 PM
Erik, I have answered all your questions. You keep up bringing different issues to the questions you state in order state that I'm no answering your questions. On January 22nd, I talked about the Gun Culture. You have changed and continue to try to change your agrument. Now mentioning Armor-Piercing Bullets. You said that other western civilized counties do not allow assualt weapons (which you were quoted on). You were wrong. You switched the agrument to the level of controls. Which surprising I have addressed in this thread on January 24nd. But it appears easier for you to accuse people then actually read what they write. Do you want me to write the exact licensing laws for each country? Are you grasping that much for an agrument? As for the question you have now asked for the third time, and as I wrote the last time you asked I answered on January 22nd at 9:49am. If you would like expound on that statement then ask that specifically. If not, telling me I haven't answered a question I answered for almost a week now is not a valid agrument for you. Especially being you have a habit of accusing people of things like lying and not answering questions they have anwsered. Reposting after the initial attempt is still pending approval.
erik January 30, 2013 at 12:04 AM
Michael D: Why is it so hard for you to address the basic questions posed? Why does the USA have many many times the gun violence of other (comparable) nations, even those who allow gun ownership but under much stricter controls than we have in the USA? Is the reason in the food we eat, or could it be because we make it so easy for anyone to get weapons of any kind?
Michael D. January 30, 2013 at 12:48 AM
Erik, Obviously you do not like my answer, so you want to continue to ask the same question multiple times. Do you expect a different answer? You got called out a few times to making false accusations, now you feel if you ask a question which has been answered, but a slightly different way each time that makes you feel better. I asnwered this question on my response to you January 22nd at 9:49am. That is my answer. It is not my problem you do not like the answer. Have a wonderful evening.
erik January 30, 2013 at 01:01 AM
You said there that guns and violence is in our psyche. That is your explanation, presumably meaning that most of the immigrants to the US have been composed of people with gun fetishes. Silly answer.
Michael D. January 30, 2013 at 01:05 PM
Erik, I know you do not like any answer that goes with your ideal. By your use of accusations that is obvious. "silly answer" is cute but immature. You like to divide civilized and non-civilized cultures in your gun agruments, except when it doesn't fit your agrument, like lumping all immigrants together. But then again, in this statement you are taking 1+1 = 12 to fit your agrument. The logic of your statement doesn't add to what I said, but you do not care about that either. When you are ready to have a intelligent, factual converation on the subject let me know.
michael mirra January 30, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Phoenix Office Shooting: Multiple Injuries Reported In Attack At Arizona Workplace and these crazy liberals want to control guns. Go figur?. It's more important to rant that Socialist Obama wants to screw with the second amendment as some interpert it. Right? Screw the fact that gun violence is a national problem. As long as no one shoots up YOUR workplace.
erik January 31, 2013 at 01:10 AM
Michael D: Your reply makes no sense whatsoever, again. Show that you have minimal intelligence and try to answer the simple question I pose. I repeat it to make it easy for you. Why does the USA have many many times the gun violence of other (comparable) nations, even those who allow gun ownership but under much stricter controls than we have in the USA?
Samuel Clemens January 31, 2013 at 01:36 AM
Erik, go to another country and tell me if you notice anything different watching their televised commercials. Unless you are in New Zealand, you should quickly notice something absent from the idiot boxes.
erik January 31, 2013 at 02:06 AM
Samuel Clemens: Sorry, I don't get your point.
Michael D. January 31, 2013 at 02:15 PM
Erik, How does the gun culture within the US have anything to do with immigrants coming into the country? Nothing, just another attempt by you to change the subject. Taking something I said, and trying to point out something that has nothing to do with what I said. It is you that isn't making sense. "Why does the USA have many many times the gun violence of other (comparable) nations, even those who allow gun ownership but under much stricter controls than we have in the USA?" Question has been answered, you do not like the answer. So you now going with asking question again and again. What is so hard about my reply to that to comprehend? It certainly didn't have anything to do with immigrants coming into this country. "Show that you have minimal intelligence and try to answer the simple question I pose." Childish and immature. I have answered your question January 22nd at 9:49am. You do not like said answer.
Samuel Clemens January 31, 2013 at 02:48 PM
Erik, being that you alluded to a "conspiracy" when I provided proof from the witches mouth regarding an outright ban on firearms led me to believe you wouldn't get my point......especially when you were incapable of understanding the MILITIA quote from one of the founders. I'm guessing Tench Coxe had better knowledge than us regarding the Militia and the "right to bear arms," but you had to focus on the God part, opposed to the message. FYI: The people as a whole are the militia. I'd love to know who originated this "well regulated militia" talking point because the parrots sure have used it. I am always amazed at how others lack the ability to search for anything themselves. I have people bash me for my postings when a simple Google search reveals what I stated. America and New Zealand have on thing in common, Direct-to-consumer marketing. Direct-to-consumer drug ads is such a detriment to our society, it's beyond evident to any sentient being. Pharmaceuticals are destroying lives, but people want to blame the symptoms. Suicides are blamed on bullies when the majority of suicides are committed by people prescribed "legal" drugs. Mass shootings are blamed on guns when the majority of the shooters are also partakers of these mind-altering substances. Ultimately, each individual is responsible for their own actions, but when there's so much evidence, people have to start focusing in on the real culprit. www.ssristories.com/
Samuel Clemens January 31, 2013 at 03:02 PM
Erik, why are so many shootings taking place in gun-free zones? Don't these criminals follow the law? By the way, can you say hypocrites? Anybody else getting tired of these double standards? Bloomberg wants disarmament, but not for himself......the criminals must have goons protecting THEM. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-rEx81PE How about Obama? Guns to protect his girls, but he really doesn't want you protecting yours. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixM3MBI58mg How about Feinstein? She speaks of getting armed to protect herself. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM_cFX1ibRA Yet she turns around and states "Mr and Mrs America, turn them all in.....OUTRIGHT BAN" www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQeq6ZzEQGA These politicians are such hypocrites. You guys do realize they exempt themselves from following the same laws and regulations as the rest of us? C'mon, they had to pass an Insider Trading ban last year because so many "Representatives" were participating in the so-called criminal activity.....but don't worry, even though they banned it, there's a loophole allowing family members to Insider Trade. Don't you just love the Liberty and Justice for All??
erik February 01, 2013 at 02:38 AM
Michael D: You continue to waffle without answering the question. Why does the USA have many times the gun violence of all the countries that most of the original immigrants came from? PS. Can you spell sarcasm?
erik February 01, 2013 at 02:49 AM
Talk about changing the subject. If criminals followed the law they wouldn't be criminals, would they? Do you think laws alone, without tools and regulations to enforce them, are all that is needed? Why do you blather about disarming? Nobody is suggesting that. You are another of those crass bigots bringing in the president's children, as if all presidents have not always had secret service protection for the families, given the amount of hateful nutcases out there listening to the usual hate mongers. Only paranoid fools think there is anything about banning all guns in this matter, and Samuel Clemens would be turning in his grave if he knew that someone was using his name in this context.
Samuel Clemens February 02, 2013 at 02:30 AM
I'm not the one instituting "Gun Free zones" believing signs stop people from doing anything. Man, it's amazing how much you lack skills in comprehending simple things. The simpletons come up with the measures that only work in fantasyland or a Utopian world. You see, often what I use is called sarcasm......something Sam understood and espoused.....but like most deluded people, you believe you are able to speak for another regarding how they feel......talk about arrogance. Twain would have loved me even if he hated me because I am real and question......but more importantly, I possess wit and wisdom, even if the Patch readers vote otherwise.
Samuel Clemens February 02, 2013 at 02:48 AM
So Erik, am I the one blathering about disarming or am I simply linking to a Senator stating it? Have you watched any of the Feinstein vids I've posted? I'd venture to say no because if you did....well then your ability to comprehend is worse than originally thought. Perhaps we can open up the DSM so we can prescribe something for your ailment. Here's another Feinstein vid confirming she wants an eventual disarmed society. www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/feinstein-purpose-dry-supply-these-weapons-over-time_697629.html Many so-called "Representatives" want an outright ban. Do you not have the ability to read about Chicago or New York? Speaking of Chicago, how about the criminal mayor? http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/013013-642578-rahm-emanuel-threatens-banks-on-gun-control.htm?p=full I think I and every other person have every right in the world to speak of the children of the President, considering in our fake "We the People" world, the President works for US, as do the Secret Service protecting the family. Our taxes pay for them and considering I can freely speak, I do believe it's a-ok to comment on the Presidents comment/mindset. Man, I seriously feel for you........you do realize you discredit yourself when you allude to race when something is said against Obama. It's not being a bigot when one simply points out the hypocrisy of ALL these scumbag politicians. GUNS good for their protection. US.....well we can just wait for the police.
Samuel Clemens February 02, 2013 at 02:53 AM
And you cannot even question the criminals about them and their security disarming. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-rEx81PE GUNS good for them. US.....shut up slave. By the way, as usual, the proper question isn't being asked........why is the Federal Govt arming this way???????? www.businessinsider.com/dhs-fletc-ammunition-purchases-750-million-200-million-40-caliber-rounds-2013-1 How many of you are even aware of the all the ammunition being purchased by Homeland Security and if you are aware, do you question it??
erik February 02, 2013 at 03:43 AM
You are a classic denier of reality. Yes I listened to the Feinstein video, and she says nothing that you claim, unless you are one of those that thinks you should be able to own military high capacity weapons, and no background checks on sale. You obviously have a problem with reasonable regulation, and you are NOT "we the people" because every poll made has a large majority of the population in favor of such basic controls.
erik February 02, 2013 at 03:51 AM
You really spend too much time on conspiracy nut sites, and youtube videos making stuff up. Are you against Homeland security spending significant time training its people, with fully automatic weapons? You must be concerned that they are practicing against terrorists. Are you a terrorist wannabe?
erik February 02, 2013 at 03:54 AM
You don't really say anything in this post, except attempt to toot your own horn, and make claims about Mark Twain that you are not competent to do.

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