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Zero Tolerance: Have We Gone Too Far?

A 5-year-old kindergartener was suspended for 10 days for what school officials labeled a “terrorist threat.” Her crime: saying she wanted to shoot a classmate and herself with a Hello Kitty bubble gun. Have we gone too far, Tampa Bay?

Making sure public schools across the Tampa Bay area are safe, welcoming places where learning is priority No. 1 is a concern on most parents’ minds – especially in the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in December.

Bay Area residents have spoken out on the need for enhanced security in schools. And, they’ve weighed in on gun control issues.

But, as we rush to shore up our schools’ defenses to prevent a repeat of Sandy Hook from happening here in our backyard, is anyone asking how far is too far?

The story of a 5-year-old girl’s suspension from a Pennsylvania elementary school after she said she wanted to shoot a classmate and herself with a Hello Kitty pink bubble gun puts a spotlight on just how serious some adults are taking threats in schools.

Zero Tolerance policies against violence, weapons on campus, threats, bullying and so on are commonplace in Bay Area schools and they’re not necessarily new. Most counties have highly detailed Zero Tolerance rules and regulations spelled out in their Student Code of Conduct documents that are required reading at the beginning of each school year.

Most policies seem well-thought out and well-meaning, but as their name suggests, they don’t offer a lot of wiggle room. The Pennsylvania case illustrates just why some wiggle room might be needed.

What we want to know from you Tampa Bay is this: In our rush to make schools safer, more inviting environments for learning, have we lost sight of commonsense? By enforcing Zero Tolerance policies related to bullying, weapons, threats and violence are we forgetting that sometimes kids are just being kids and maybe, just maybe sometimes they just want to blow innocent bubbles? Or has society come to a point where it truly is time for Zero Tolerance policies to stand as just that? Share your thoughts in the comments section!

David Conkle January 25, 2013 at 08:05 pm
My father used to say, "if common sense were so common, everybody would have it." We have definitely become more of a punitive society as opposed to a corrective society. Everyone makes mistakes in life, some greater than others, too often though people are not given an opportunity to correct their mistakes. Instead, punitive measures are now the norm and too many are unneccesarily penalized, ostacized and jailed in our society. We are becoming less free and more fearful and this story is just another example of this trend.
Rita Moran January 25, 2013 at 08:24 pm
This is so ridiculous that it doesn't even warrant comment! A child wants to shoot her friend with bubbles and that gets her suspended? Are you kidding? No, really, are you just kidding?
Harvey A. Smith January 25, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Failing to keep the video game, movie and other social media violence from our children makes the zero tolerence policy in our schools seem ridiculous and certainly out of touch with the rest of the world. Kind of like trying to control global warming by penalizing our citizens and businesses without the total cooperation of China, India, Russia and other countries who disregard the threat we face. I would think that the teachers we entrust to educate and even set social guidelines for our children would display more common sense. Would using the forefinger and thumb to imitate a gun carry a stiffer penalty than using the middle finger to express ones opinion or emotional state? I understand the government having gone mad...but our schools, too?
Donna Scott January 26, 2013 at 01:30 am
The child had a toy. What if she would have used her hand and finger as a gun. . Educating parents and children on what the school deems offensive would have avoided this. I do believe the school could have scared this child.. Too far in this case. I do think a zero policy is best for REAL weapons that are a real threat
randy in Lutz January 26, 2013 at 01:57 am
OMG, get a life. Why do we find it so necessary to blow everything our of proportion in the US? Any child killed is too many, but folks, millions go to school every day; safely. Knee jerk reactions will be the ruin of this country.
Edward Yablecki January 26, 2013 at 11:50 am
I have many thoughts about this situation, and first off, I do believe this may on the surface seem to be an overreaction. But, I also believe their is a necessity to instill fear in children to behave in a classroom situation. I hate that we have to use fear, but it may be the most effective way to control a class so the children who want to achieve have the structure to flourish. I believe parents should be more involved in instilling values in their children, so as the teachers can teach. Teachers shouldn't be wasting their time putting out fires, but going over the lesson plan. I have no children of my own, but my ex gf did, and she didn't give her daughter values of the education system and the discipline.
Cristina January 26, 2013 at 01:30 pm
Education starts at home and parenting is just that - educating our kids how to behave, have manners, pick up after themselves, have good personal hygiene, and so on. Zero tolerance exists because far too many parents leave a lot of the parenting, not just the teaching, to our schools. That being said, common sense should prevail in a situation like this. Many teachers and administrators would have had a talk with the child, and the parents, without the need for a suspension. Bottom line though is that we as parents have to be the beginning, middle, and end in our children's education.
Pat M January 26, 2013 at 02:46 pm
Haven't you noticed - common sense is no longer common!
The next step would be total censoring of tv..movies ..games..Big Brother is in control & knows no common sense.
RD January 26, 2013 at 03:18 pm
It is the responsibility of the parents to teach their children right from wrong. At the beginning of every school year, everyone gets a school handbook with the rules in them. If you violate the rules, there is a consequence. When you leave things up to common sense, a parent lets a kid bring a bubble gun to school knowing full well it is against school policy. How is it okay for a child to say they're going to shoot another child? Parents are shirking their responsibilities. That's why teachers don't have time to teach anymore.
Larry Bush January 26, 2013 at 03:45 pm
RD, it is okay for a child to tell another child that they're going to shoot them when one is going to take a picture of the other. That picture is even called a "shot." And the recipient of the shot will be injured almost as much as if she were shot by a bubble gun. In fact, a person could tell another "shoot," and it merely means that it is her turn to speak. The list goes on, but as you can see "shoot" can be a rather innocuous word. The key is for the adults to use common sense when they hear the word.
David Conkle January 26, 2013 at 03:53 pm
I agree with Chistina, education truly does begin in the home. Parents need to teach their children well the difference between right and wrong using consistent positive reinforcement to reward good behaviors and thoughtful careful correction of wrong behaviors. This entire matter could have been handled so much better and much more compassionately. Unfortunately, when it comes to justice and law in our country, justice is not served when the law is used harshly or unequally. I'm sure there are other similar situations in kindergarteners across our nation where this type behavioral act was handled in a more level headed and sensible manner. What this little girl learned in kindergarten? Don't think or say you want to shoot your friend with your Hello Kitty bubble gun! Bet she's still somewhat confused about what she did that was wrong, she's only a kindergartener after all.
Harvey A. Smith January 26, 2013 at 07:34 pm
Instrill fear??? I think not! How about instilling respect. I have four sons and five grandsons who have all turned out well without my having to "instill fear" in teaching them right from wrong and to show respect. If they failed to do that during their loves, then they knew (well) what they would have to face. We cannot expect our teachers to be surrogate or sustitute parents. Certainly not with what they're being paid. They are trained and paid to teach, not babysit or replace missing or irresponsible parents.
Michelle Fretz January 27, 2013 at 01:46 am
20 years ago my son was faced with a similar issue... While playing cowboys and Indians @ home with his little brother outside, his plastic gun was left in his inner ski jacket pocket... We are from the way northern states... Went to schooling Monday and went to hang up his jacket and out fell his toy gun..... The school had just implemented the Zero Tolerance and he was the first to have this happen... The school did determine that it was not considered a threat and that going through the experience of sitting at the Principle's office for hours was enough to get the point across... South Dover Elementary School in Delaware had common sense... Yes, parents are to teach their children right from wrong... Sometimes it's just bad judgement... They just told a 5 year old girl that she was very bad and can't go to school... Good job... School needs to go back to school to learn some common sense..
Liberty Belle January 27, 2013 at 12:40 pm
This is what happens when liberals run the show. A Philly kid was put through hell a week ago for having a piece of paper cut out the shape of a gun. Too much. This needs to stop. Parents have to stand up. My son has an air soft pellet gun and he plays war video games and there is not a violent bone in his body. Leave our kids alone and stop being so damn stupid and paranoid.
Joe January 27, 2013 at 12:51 pm
I totally agree with Barry and Harvey!
You have to ask yourselves, however, how many times you have ever seen an educator or politician display "common sense". It just seems like when your whole life is devoted to one thing, you have never matured in other areas like the average person who has had to make mistakes and corrections in life in order to survive. Common sense is just something that can't be taught in schools....you have to learn it and earn it so that you don't forget how to use it.
james beck January 27, 2013 at 03:49 pm
I'm sure I'll start a firestorm but history does repeat itself. Look at Nazi Germany and the rise of Fascism. Outside enemy imminent danger and need to protect the "homeland." Children turned in their parents. There was fear and total loss of common sense in a remarkably short period of time from the heights of academical to the common citizen. Any similarities?
American Patriot January 27, 2013 at 06:10 pm
You are not going to be taken seriously by any thinking American when you start throwing around names and labels.
The act by that school was just plain DUMB. It has nothing whatsoever to do with someone's political orientation. Some school administrators are dumb. Some teachers are dumb. And, yes, some parents are dumb. It is not a political issue, LB; it's a mental incapacity, and an impaired judgment issue by the people deciding about these incidents.
michael mirra January 27, 2013 at 06:28 pm
No similarities. Different kinds of behavior. I don't agree with either behavior, but there is no coorelation between the two. Seeing a similarity is a stretch of logic.
michael mirra January 27, 2013 at 06:35 pm
I was once a school teacher, in my younger days. I only lasted about 4 years because I had a major issue with the enforcement of rules & regulations that make no sense. I refused to enforce stupid stuff, like giving kids detention for chewing gum right outside the building 1/4 hour before class. The teacher's lounge was like a madhouse, but the kids had to be silent in class for hours. Of course, that was a Catholic School in 1973, so things were really strict & I was a 27 yr old Hippie that believed in teaching kids to break the rules as an exercise of their inner freedom. Naturally my attitude didn't fly.
michael mirra January 27, 2013 at 06:37 pm
Lib Bell has somthing there. It's all that Socialist Obama's fault. LOL
michael mirra January 27, 2013 at 06:39 pm
I hope Lib Bell's son doesn't accidently shoot his, or someone else's eye out with his pellet gun.
michael mirra January 27, 2013 at 06:50 pm
Michelle's son's school used more common sense. Zero tolerance should be zero tolerance for real guns, not toys. Her son shouldn't even have been sent to the office. If the school was over the top intense, they should have taken the toy gun & returned it when the kid went home.
Suspending a child for a toy that sprays soap bubbles because the toy happens to have a shape similar to a gun is confusing to the child. Her parents must think the school is crazy & the kid is already beginning to learn that authority must be questioned & not blindly accepted as right. It may, in effect, be a good lesson for the child who will question reasoning of adults & not just accept whatever she is told without asking herself if it makes sense. There is a silver lining in every cloud. The school actually taught the kid a lesson in the school of life.
Michelle Fretz January 28, 2013 at 12:08 am
@ Michael...love the way you think!
David Conkle January 28, 2013 at 02:21 pm
Pathetic rhetoric, Liberty Belle!
Michael D. January 28, 2013 at 02:31 pm
So same paranoid wasn't happening in 2001-2009? Hmmm I believe their was a lot of paranoid during that time, and "liberals" didn't run the show. This is not a political party issue, but a societal issue. We have become the reasons this happens, because of litigious society.
melinda croft January 30, 2013 at 01:34 pm
Really a 5yr old suspended for 10 days is just insane. The child was being a kid. are we trying to make kids grow up faster? Teenagers are the ones who are to blame for this and that is sad also. But like its been said before It's a kid wanting to play with a Kid gun, not a REAL GUN!!! BIG DIFFERENCE! Teachers and Principals and Superentendants Use your head here you punished an innocent child for kids play.
melinda croft January 30, 2013 at 01:38 pm
This is also said to say but mayby its best to have Kids Home Schooled but then again you dont know if the person teaching them has enough knowledge to get the job done right so until there is no more public schools, Put a metal detector at the door so guns dont get into the schools seems a bit expensive but then again you cant put a price on a persons life and then you will know no one will be getting killed by guns in schools
DANA MOSSMAN February 1, 2013 at 03:31 am
THE UNDER EDUCATING OF AMERICAN YOUTH AND THEIR LOW SELF ESTEEM HAS PRODUCED MORE KIDS KILLED IN URBAN CITIES THAN OUR TWO WARS. PUT IN DISCIPLINE, DUMP BAD TEACHERS, PAY GOOD TEACHERS MORE, BRING IN RETIRED BUSINESSMEN AND MILITARY (FATHER FIGURES), DON'T LET KIDS DROP OUT AT 16 MAKE IT 21 OR 18 IF THEY GRADUATE. YOU WILL HAVE A SAFER SOCIETY WITH LESS KIDS GOING TO PRISON AND CEMETERIES.
Phil Cooper February 7, 2013 at 05:26 pm
"Zero tolerance" is a substitute for "critical thinking". School administrators who establish and rigidly enforce such policies need to be fired, pure and simple. If they're incapable of critical thought, they're not qualified to teach children, regardless of how many degrees and certificates they may hold.
Phil Cooper February 7, 2013 at 05:28 pm
Stop SHOUTING!

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Dan Pressler May 6, 2013 at 04:04 pm
the question is - would any of these laws prevent the people who already get guns illegally anywayRead More from getting them now ? If not what is the point of the law - more gov't?
Red June 14, 2013 at 09:16 pm
Great Photo! Is that the setup we'll be supplying to first grade teachers nationwide? Is the NRARead More gonna chip in with a few mags? Some bullets? Body bags what ? If the black helicopters do come for you your little ak-47 + all the bullets you can afford on your little paycheck just ain't gonna do the trick. and just who are you gonna shoot at? Your kid or the one down the street that just joined the service a few days, weeks, months, or years ago? You know that kid , he's the one that wanted to Serve his country. Is he the one you want to shoot? Is she the one that scares you? Fact is you and me just don't need these kinds of vicious killing machines.
Papamarty June 15, 2013 at 02:40 am
you anti-gunners are so full of never mind I am old enough to remember before there were over 40Read More thousand gun laws on the books and Americans didn't have the kind of problems that we have now not until the government got envolved did we start having all the crime that we have now. Question if the almost 40 thousand gun laws haven't made things better maybe it time to look some where else beside the government and the dumbing down of American youth. Yeah they got a degree in some sort of liberal art that was suppose to make a difference now we have a bunch of educated drug dealers but here's the stickler they just think their educated. the individual with the common sense is the one making the money and they weren't government educated with faux degrees.