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Obamacare Flip-Flop: Do You Agree with Rick Scott?

He said he wouldn't, but he did. Gov. Rick Scott announced Wednesday, Feb. 20, that Florida would expand its Medicaid program.

Florida’s Medicaid program is about to get bigger – a lot bigger.

In a flip-flop from a previous decision, Gov. Rick Scott has acquiesced to expanding the state’s Medicaid program to provide coverage for an estimated 1.3 million more people. The expansion is a major prong in the Obamacare program that kicks into effect in 2014, according to The Huffington Post.

Scott has been an outspoken opponent of Obamacare in the past. His disdain for the concept of government-backed universal healthcare coverage even prompted him to dip into his own fortune. He spent about $5 million of his own cash to prevent President Barack Obama’s healthcare reform legislation from being passed in the first place.

Once it did pass – and he became governor – Scott continued his anti-Obamacare stance. He’s been quoted on numerous occasions saying that Florida wouldn’t expand its Medicaid rolls to take part.

All that changed Wednesday, Feb. 20, when Scott announced his new stance.

"I want every Floridian to have access to high-quality health care they can afford," The Huffington Post quoted Scott as saying.

Under the plan, Medicaid coverage would be open to Floridians who earn up to 133 percent of the poverty level. That amounts to $15,282 for a single person, the Post reported. The increase in costs will be covered by the federal government from 2014-2016. After that, the state will start picking up some of the costs.

To make the expansion happen, the state is going to have to spend about $5.4 billion through 2022. It will get $66.1 billion from the federal government for taking part, according to the Post.

What do you think changed Gov. Scott’s mind? Do you think he was right? Or, should he have stood his anti-Obamacare ground? Share your thoughts in the comments section below.

Michael D. February 22, 2013 at 01:57 pm
Patriot,
The Bill can very well be about control, but it also can be about reducing costs. I do not agree with the Affordable Healthcare Act as it is written. But the portion of it reducing costs is fairly accurate. It done as the bill says it will cause an industry organizational shift which is sorely needed in the medical industry. But the problem I have with it, is the control and records aspect.
Steve February 22, 2013 at 02:08 pm
It's astonishing how few facts get igonred in this debate. First, Florida was and is shipping tax dollars to Washington--more than it gets back. This is an opportunity to get some additional tax money back and benefit 3.8 million of our poorest citzens, to boot. On the other side of the Flop-Scott decision, people seem to miss that he only flipped when he got a waiver allowing him to--guess what???--PRIVATIZE the entire Florida Medicaid system, new enrollees, old enrollees, and all, shoving them all into HMO's where Republican moguls--just like former-healthcare-owner-Scott--can rake in money from the Feds. Not a single study has shown that these so-called "advantage plans" do anything except build in a layer of profit: no improvement in services; higher cost. The plain fact is that the government-managed portion of Medicare is the cheapest plan when it comes to administrative overhead and costs. Scott got what he wanted: more privatization, more bucks for Republican firms (remember that the Frists, Scott, Romney--ALL made huge money in HMO's dealing with Medicare.
Patriot February 22, 2013 at 03:24 pm
Michael D. I am now wondering if you have read the OBAMAcare bill....As there have been many doctors to openly argue against it....several have closed their practice. My own doctor has told me it is a very bad bill. That said, maybe you should read this http://www.newswithviews.com/Roth/laurie364.htm from Dr.Laurie Roth, here is a sample for you... "This week I gasped in horror when I learned that Obama care had ordered Medicare to cut reimbursement for 4 million diabetic seniors by 66%. It also reduced all the companies that were supplying blood sugar monitoring supplies from 1000 to 15. I also learned via the research of Elizabeth Vliet M.D. that one of her 80 year old patients was told he was not covered anymore by Medicare when he went to the pharmacy so couldn’t get his medication. His choice was to pay cash or die." ~ Dr. Lauri Roth, and this is just from doctor, I can post hundreds more that are similar. But my favorite is from Obama himself when asked if an elderly woman that needs an expensive treatment for an illness, and Obama replies, we would do well to make her comfortable and use the money for a more viable patient. That is all telling what is going to happen.....since when should government have the right to determine the peoples fate????
Michael D. February 22, 2013 at 04:38 pm
Patiot,
Not only have I read all 2000 pages, I have talked to lobbysts in the medical industry, medical insurance industry, and doctors/administrators about the very this very document. Not some excerpts from made for media documentation. I'm sure you can post 100's even 1000's of those made for media statements. I prefer to talk to people in the industry that understand the long term ramifications of the document. You know, those trained to look past the initial impact. So Patriot, other than the media have you read the document, talked to people in the industry? Or are you just gauging the impact off the made for media comments? By the way Patriot it is the Affordable Healthcare Act, not the made for media Obamacare title which the Republican party and media would like you to believe.
Steve February 22, 2013 at 04:48 pm
I'll defy anyone to find the actual source of the "But my favorite is from Obama himself when asked if an elderly woman that needs an expensive treatment for an illness, and Obama replies, we would do well to make her comfortable and use the money for a more viable patient." Pure fiction.
Patriot February 22, 2013 at 05:03 pm
Michael D. Think you bit off more then you can chew on this one! I did not want to get personal on this, but , my wife is a compliance and ethics officer for a global medical device company. Currently, she is charged with the implementation, and procedural application of healthcare laws. I know more about this monstrosity then so called political hacks you seem to be in bed with! I am beginning to see that you my friend are wielding your own agenda, and your future comments will now be monitored with a more cynical eye by myself. Shame on you!
Patriot February 22, 2013 at 05:20 pm
Steve! what do I win? Got to love the LIV people! http://youtu.be/rin4h4cRs6Y However, for precise, and concise explanation of the OBAMAdeathbill. I prefer this http://youtu.be/f19HjjDjbNk By the way LIV = Low Information Voters!
RD February 22, 2013 at 05:32 pm
We're not that stupid and we have long memories. He padded his cronies pockets and screwed the people of Florida for the first 2 years and now he's thinking about re-election and assuming we're stupid. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on the morons who vote for this poor example of a human being twice.
Gail Perry February 22, 2013 at 05:34 pm
He's doing the right thing but only because he's looked at his polls. For instance, he realized he's alienated the 450,000 teachers in the state and that teachers are very likely to vote (esp. next election!) So he's thrown them a bone of a raise. Now he's figured out that *everyone* votes, so "Pink Slip Rick" has turned into "Appeasement Rick." It won't work, because he keeps doing boneheaded things and then trying to mop up afterwards -- and way too late.
He claimed he was going to create 4 million jobs in Florida. Hasn't happened yet, but I certainly know teachers who have been fired for lack of funds, as well as state workers. How much did he spend on all those junkets overseas that didn't result in any new jobs?
Melvin J. Paris February 22, 2013 at 05:53 pm
Hope there's money in there for mental illness.
JR February 22, 2013 at 05:58 pm
Gail Perry-
Many of the things you describe were also done by your Messiah Obama but I'm sure you'll never see it that way. Politicians flip flop all the time in fact our President has done it so much his nickname should be Mackerel. Scott can't win with you lefties, you hate him when he does something wrong and hate him even more when he does something right for whatever reason. Do you agree with that ignorant woman on the school board (who makes a lot moe than teachers make) who said the teachers should not accept the $2500 becuase she didn't like the reason he was doing it? Should Scott not expand medicaid because you think he's only doing it for political reasons?
Steve February 22, 2013 at 06:08 pm
You win absolutely nothing for your selective listening. What he said was that care that "isn't going to make anybody's mom better," like "piling on test after test," should be avoided. There was absoultelyl NOTHING there the way it was misquoted in the citation above. Want to try again?
Melvin J. Paris February 22, 2013 at 06:10 pm
JR : You're funny....Nevertheless you make a lot of sense.
Patriot February 22, 2013 at 06:26 pm
Steve, good buddy ole pal....since when is the presidents job to determine who gets treatment, and what treatment they get....do you not see the insanity of this? No president, or any other political hack should ever be granted that power in a FREE REPUBLIC! This is not CHINA! Remember, without government, the people still exist! Without the people, government no longer exist! Translation....WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES! We are the ones with the power, and any political hack that decides that they have the power should be imprisoned!
Patriot February 22, 2013 at 06:28 pm
Nailed that JR! clap, clap ,clap
Michael D. February 22, 2013 at 06:57 pm
Patriot,
I appreciate her position. But I'm just saying what the data shows. I feel it is as bad as the Patriot Act when it comes to Records. But the costs in the long term will be lowered, due to the reduction that is needed in the medial adminstrative side both for medical insurers and medical providers. Also the litigation that comes along with it. Costs are the business side, and to look at that. In the long term they will lower, in the short term they are going to rise. Just like Medical insurers have pushing them up with the hysteria that the political groups have been creating. As feeling that I have an agenda, no agenda. I think this bill should have been shot down in the Supreme Court due to the medical records side of it. My agenda is just the facts, that is all. You want to go with political hacks, I go with they see the system is broken. They are willing outside their profession to give an honest opinion. Something no political party is going to give. But if you feel I have some kind of "political" agenda Patriot as someone I do appreciate on these boards, then you are incorrect. So if you are saying believe what I'm saying, but not what your eyes read. Not want the overall data shows, then Patriot we will have to disagree on the overall effects of this bill.
Michael D. February 22, 2013 at 07:00 pm
JR,
Scott is a politician, I expect nothing more or nothing less. This new "flip-flop" doesn't raise or lower my opinion of him. I think it is a better course of action, than the Affordable Healthcare Act.
Jim S February 22, 2013 at 08:07 pm
It's about time he did SOMETHING right! Too little too late to get people to like him though. Now we have to watch out for the tea party fools in Tallahassee to go along with it.
Just a Florida Cracker February 22, 2013 at 08:18 pm
Nothing would convince me that Scott has changed his mind because he all of a sudden cares for Florida's poor and medically needy. The real reason is much more in line with where his heart is, ie the millions of dollars that will be lost by his buddies at the state's hospitals. Here's just one article published in a local Palm Beach paper in December:
St. Mary's could lose $11 million in Medicaid payments, industry analysts said. http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/state-regional/florida-hospitals-oppose-gov-scotts-plan-to-cut-me/nL2KS/ "Florida hospitals said Scott's approach will prove devastating -- especially to urban hospitals, including West Palm Beach's St. Mary's Medical Center and Bethesda Hospital in Boynton Beach, which treat many of the state's poorest residents. St. Mary's could lose $11 million in Medicaid payments, industry analysts said. All told, Scott's proposal would slash almost 40 percent of the $5.2 billion in Medicaid payments to Florida hospitals." Governor Scott does NOT care about the people of Florida unless they own corporations, including so called non-profit hospitals. I will do my very best to make sure that he doesn't get re-elected.
Steven Sulzer February 23, 2013 at 01:33 pm
I see Scott's point of flip flopping since it'll be no cost to the state for the first few years. It's a win win for him since nothing is coming out of the states pocket, and more people will supposedly be covered by the feds. In reality it's a lose lose for everyone in the long run. The federal government is already bankrupt so all we're really doing is dumping more debt on all of us. And what's going to happen in a few years when the state is suppost to start picking up the tab? Do you actually think that's going to happen? Highly doubt it. What we'll probably see is the state dropping the expanded coverage and people losing those additional benefits.
Dan Pressler February 23, 2013 at 10:01 pm
don't forget where the federal money comes from - OUR federal taxes - gov scott is taking money out of our pockets by way of Obama
Have you heard of TANSTAAFL? There Aint No Such Thing As A Free Lunch - that applies to EVERY government program
Steve February 23, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Florida already receives more than $1.01 for ever $1.00 we send to Washington. This will increase that amount.
vlk February 24, 2013 at 12:33 am
I believe Gov. Scott flipped because of the political pressure he was getting from hospitals, however I wish he would have stood his ground and continued to say No. The working citizens of FL will have to pay up, it's just a matter of now or later. Steve B above mentioned that in 2016 Obama will be gone and Obamacare repealed...I truly hope your right, but as of right now it's a 100% chance that we will have to pay it back and that doesn't make me happy.
Goin' Commando February 24, 2013 at 12:40 am
Oh yeah, we should let all those ugly poor and lower middle class folks go without medical care. Who cares about them, as long as "I've got mine."
Robert Thompson February 24, 2013 at 07:45 am
Scott: wants more votes.
Medicaid Managed care: a poor product but better than nothing. Health care cost in America: Higher per person than any other nation. Life longevity: We are at # 12 or 14. Affordable Care Act: It is only a start to unraveling the complex mess our Health Care system is in. The Blame: lousy politicians making what every other nation says is a public service a profit center stealing 35-40% of our health care dollar. BTW- Medicare=95 % of healthcare dollar goes to care. This makes Medicare the best manager of care. Robbyte
Michael D. February 25, 2013 at 01:57 pm
Dan,
Where do you believe their healthcare comes from now. But instead of paying to treat the initial symptoms we are paying to treat the full blown illiness.
Louis Amandola February 26, 2013 at 11:30 pm
With that point of view, why didn't he except the "FREE" 20 BIL for transportation which would have created some good paying jobs in Florida? (Let me think a minute.........) Oh! It was too early for him to think of re election. Plus his agenda has been in health care where he has stolen, OOPS! made all his money.
Louis Amandola February 28, 2013 at 10:33 pm
Thankyou Michael D.........I would add that, at some point in time something would have had to be done within our healthcare system to eleviate the drain of monies paid by the feds for 'all' those without paid up care. In one form or another we have all been paying for it through unrealized taxation. For much too long, employers have shed the burden of health care for their employees, knowing full well that under emergency conditions the cost would ultimately be passed on to the consumer. "The taxpayer" The system being put in place is far from perfect but, it should help to equalize the input versus output. Most especially, it should (I hope) curtail the underground world of "pay under the table"
Jack Keightly March 13, 2013 at 04:16 pm
It appears its a political move on Scotts part as he seeks re-election and its sad that people in leadership do not have a backbone to stand up for the majority instead of the minority. We need to get rid of the Fraud first and then expand to the people who really need this assistance. I am for helping those who legitimately need this help. We are and aging state and many people depend on government programs but until the 'FRAUD' is elminitated I am not in favor of making any kinds of expansion. It could only result in higher taxes and even a State Tax in the future to pay for this program expansion.
Donna Robertson May 6, 2013 at 01:46 pm
My concern is if the Democrats do not want to personally have it, then what good is it?

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